This complete blog entry stems from an obsolete open mike question period "YouTube" video in which BOB LAZAR is questioned. And in the true sense of synchronicity, I continued to come across additional information about MR. LAZAR in further unrelated interviews this past week. Thanks to this candid video, taken and later posted by DAN WILLIS, I gained some great insight. If you can muscle through the poor film quality, it is worth your time to watch.
BRAD BRAY, host of "PARANORMAL SUNDAY", suggested I listen to a short interview he conducted on the AREA 51 subject with a man by the name of T. D. BARNES, a former AREA 51 employee. Check out the link below and have a listen for yourself:
"...At this time point in time, yes, I still have NO conclusion about Mr. BOB LAZAR. He now lives in Michigan and has his own business called "UNITED NUCLEAR", which he has been doing for many years...he still seems to be conducting uh, some projects, indirectly with, uh, some kind, uh, defense contractors...there's no question in my mind, in that he knows what he's doing. But, uh, whether he was telling a lie about uh...S4 and Area 51, and uh, you know, back engineering of an alien craft. There's no PROOF, there's no PROOF whatsoever...."
NORIO HAYAKAWA's opinion is important when you consider his experience in the UFO field. I am also a huge advocate for the belief that no one knows the "answer":
"...I've been in this UFO research since 1961. I've been to a lot of places. I've seen a lot of things. I've interviewed hundreds and hundreds of peoples, witnesses. And YET! I cannot come to any solid conclusion as to what the UFO phenomena is, much less come to any conclusion that we are being visited by physical extraterrestrial aliens in physical, extraterrestrial craft. It's a GREAT concept, and a GREAT topic, but uh, unfortunately, the bottom line, we have to look at the bottom line. The EVIDENCES are very, very difficult to uh, find, and that's all I can say."NORIO HAYAKAWA
The LAZAR story is one filled with great debate and speculation. I have not formed any conclusions as to the validity of his claims. Instead, I choose to remain open minded, sifting through information looking for nuggets of truth. I believe the TRUTH is out there, but the water has been so muddied with false stories, ego fueled, money hungry, thrill seeking individuals, that it is extremely difficult to identify.
Area 51 has many names, as noted by Thornton D. Barnes in his interview; "PARADISE RANCH", "WATER TOWN", "BOX", and ofcourse, "DREAMLAND". Just further evidence of how much "information" is out there hiding incognito right before our eyes.
(These
blog entries are built in order to share with you some of what I
managed to make note of, while watching the live feed. I've transcribed
from notes as accurately as possible, and apologize in advance if I've
made any errors. I hope you will enjoy and accept this in the manner
that which I give it to you; in a spirit of sharing and kindness.) Claudette Huber
Witness Testimony Oath:
"I DO HEREBY AFFIRM, I WILL TELL THE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH TO THIS COMMITTEE TODAY.
ROBERTO PINOTTI's opening statement consisted of his numerous credentials.
"...in ROME...2000 UFO reports...1993 I started...an Annual World Symposium...in 1997...Encyclopediawas published...I am well informed about the Vaticanviews of the UFO and ET...exo diplomacy, the future...global diplomacy.
"Good afternoon,...dragons are from Outer Space in Chinese Country...The Land of Deities, Land of Gods...We seek the harmony between people and Heaven...very relevant with what we are discussing in the hearing today...BEIJING UFO RESEARCH INSTITUTE...largest UFO research institute in the world...for the past 33 years it's been a very hard time for the UFO research...everyone on this planet are looking for our roots...people are involved...is of an overwhelming scale...those who are interested,...account for about 1/2 of the Chinese people; 5 billion people...We have more than 1000 members...after years of research...convinced of the existence of UFO and aliens...we believe the existence of UFOs, we believe existence of alien, extraterrestrial....there is a wealth of mysterious UFO files...history, scientific literature...we have a number of Jade statues that closely resemble aliens...our expert appraisal estimates could have been in existence for 100 million years...We are doing research in high tech...genetic engineering...the study of the sky is for the benefit of the Earth...we are trying to find a solution to the problems here on Earth...to find the truth and to meet the new civilization on Earth. Thank you."
GRANT CAMERONpresented the audience with an overview of the Canadian history involving the UFO phenomena.
"Canadian government does not dispute any of the documents online...Canadians went to the Americans...wanted to know what the Americans knew about the UFOs...flying saucers were real...Canadians actually opened up a baseinSuffield, Alberta...to land a flying saucer...FLYING SAUCER OBSERVATORY...WILBERT SMITHletters showed he was receiving UFO hardware...United States Militaryhas tons of hardware and film..."
The former Deputy Director for theM.O.D.(Ministry of Defence), NICK POPE, shared his own knowledge of how the United Kingdom approaches the UFO phenomena. There was a strange contradiction in his statement when he stated there were no project names given, but then later lists one.
"...the U.K. Ministry of Defence...has a dual role...policy making...and highest defence agency...around 5% appeared to defy conventional...though we accepted sightings from everyone...particularly interested in...collaborative evidence...a widely held belief that the government...inherently secret organization...downplay our interest...PROJECT CONDIGN...terminated in 2009...pilots can and do continue to give reports...to date over 50,000 documents have been sent to the Archives...whatever the true nature of the phenomena...there are potential novel technologies...it's clear...there are issues of political responsibility..."
ANTONIO HUNEEUSshared his thoughts and research findings of France:
"...France...really took off in the seventies...NATIONAL POLICE FORCE had been investigating since 1960's...uniformed protocols...respond and investigate any UFO lights by the French public...still in effect...FRENCH SPACE AGENCY...354 UFO cases...25% of which remain unexplained...COMETA REPORT...recently.
NICK POPEwas the first to be questioned byMERRILL COOKin regards to the documents released into the Archives:
"Maybe you have read all of them?..."
NICK POPE:"...I went right back to inception...reports during the World War..." MERRILL COOK:"What's your opinion...is there an ET origin?..." NICK POPE: "...the evidence doesn't go quite far enough...it is a possibility..."
"Do any of your countries have any interaction with theUnited States...on this...over the years...?"
NICK POPE: "Some limited liaisons...BLUE BOOK...until it was terminated...time to time through Agencies...some files were exchanged...GENERAL GABRIELcoming in and taking..." GRANT CAMERON: "...Canadians are absolutely quiet...since 1954..." DR. SUN SHILI: "...we have some exchanges in the non government establishments...high-level tri-lateral meeting that involved Chinese, Russian...on UFO...THE ROCKEFELLER FOUNDATIONhosted this meeting..."
ROSCOE BARTLETTaskedDR. SUN SHILIhow his government felt about cover-up.
"...unacceptable...UFO is a big issue...the government see the UFOs as a national security issue..."
DARLENE HOOLEYwanted to know more about the vehicles and if they were manned.
ANTONIO HUNEEUS:"...we don't know...exact statistics because of the distance is impossible to determine." DR. SUN SHILI: "There is a higher level air force official, he reported that...there must be a higher intelligent organism in the operating...he even gave me a picture of a UFO...taken from a satellite...crisp, clear."
(These
blog entries are built in order to share with you some of what I
managed to make note of, while watching the live feed. I've transcribed
from notes as accurately as possible, and apologize in advance if I've
made any errors. I hope you will enjoy and accept this in the manner
that which I give it to you; in a spirit of sharing and kindness.)Claudette Huber
LYNN WOOLSEY, the acting CHAIR for the day, kicked off things with a spirited comment:
"...What a morning!...hardly any way to deny...absolute proof..."
She then askedCOL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIAif he had seen any occupants in the object, and how had he been treated by the government afterwards.
"We could not actually see into the UFO...the 1,800 people that actually saw...no negative repercussions...I continued to fly...in 1980, when this event happened...installing Soviet materials at that place...we received the order to not talk about this....we had sensitive material...22yrs of silence...They(Press), didn't really know hot to get access to the information..."
Her next question was directed toA. J. GEVAERDofBRAZIL, asking about the incident in theAmazonsand what the relationship was with theUnited States Armyat that time. This was his answer to both LYNN WOOLSEYand also toCAROLYN KILPATRICKwho followed up with a very similar question, but addressed all the witnesses:
"...Over a 1000 people were being attacked...emit a beam of light making them faint and mimic...during this 4 months...OPERATION SAUCER...film at night the UFOs...Objects would come more and more boldly where the army was camping...over 500 pictures were made...16hrs of film was made...they take the information back to theUnited States...for their own purposes...operating in many places in the world...military in many countries, United Statesis collecting...during many years...UScoming down toBRAZIL, taking part in research...recent cases."A. J. GEVAERD
"...When they created the office...they contacted the United States Army..., but there was no response....NARCAP...run by formerN.A.S.A.Scientist...very close relationship...collected...usually by the Defense attache'...C.I.A..." ANTONIO HUNEEUS
"No, there is no sharing or exchanging of information."COL. ARIEL SANCHEZ
"...no open, formal agreement...information is shared with US Agencies...UFO had crashed inNorthern Peru...they took remains...by helicopters that were not part ofPeru...apparently they were American helicopters."DR. ANTHONY CHOY
"...no open communication...no documentation..."ROBERTO PINOTTI
CAROLYN KILPATRICK strongly feels it's an,"...International Issue...ought to beUnited Nationrepresentation...Will you help?"
A UNANIMOUS "YES" resounded from the witnesses.
She continued,"Our military gets your information...we also work together to do that...or there won't be no more universe, do you understand that?"
MERRIL COOKastutely made an observation that he put forth toCOL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIA:
"Department of Defense stamped...1980...is this...referring to your...story?...Are you prohibited to tell us?...Confirm if you can...(he reads from document)'source has been known to be reputable in all respects'...I mean,...is this a SMOKING GUN or what?! To try and open up some files in theUnited States!..."
With a slight crook of a smile COL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIAreplied:
"In 2007,...same building...invited to a conference...James Fox...they turned this document to me...the only encounter with a UFO was my encounter...this was the event referred to..."
MERRILL COOKcontinued:
"...Really strong YES to my question!...You shot at this!...Are you...a good marksman?...What happened?"
"There were 22 minutes of these relationship...it was trying to avoid me, I was trying to pursue it...they(30 caliber shell)can destroy a truck, there was 64, a barrage of them, and nothing...I've won awards for marksmanship...I shot these bursts...3 meter by 3 meter target(practice size), in this case was a 10m x10m object!...'how is this doing this?'...super-sonic speed...1.3 mach...it achieved 1.2 mach in seconds with no engine..."COL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIA
DR. ANTHONY CHOYinterrupted to emphasize the significance of the event COL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIAsharing:
"...perhaps, so humble...I wanted to share...nothing on Earth that can defend itself...in that time...it absorbed all of the rounds...absolutely impossible!..."
MIKE GRAVEL, deeply concerned aboutA.J. GEVAERD's earlier statement describing "...an aggressive attack resulting in the loss of life..." asked for more information.
"...during 2 or 3 years, 1976, 1978, ...at least four casualties...attacked...not only people, but animals...this has been described in detail...reported by the military...the attacks stopped...when the military were...the objects that would be hovering, would move to the other area...intelligence...knew what the military were doing in that area..."
MIKE GRAVELasked all the witnesses how open the gov't and the public are to the UFO topic.
COL. ARIEL SANCHEZofURUGUAY:"...Press conferences, information is even taken to schools...also shared with CHINA..."
DR. ANTHONY CHOYofPERU:"The Press is the same here as it is inPERU...government doesn't really give importance."
COL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIAofPERU: "The order was to intercept and destroy, because there is something that is invading our air space."
A few witnesses responded toROSCOE BARTLETTwhen he expresses his confusion at how the Air Force makes light of the UFO subject, and yet, what he'd observed from the expert testimony these last few days painted a very different picture.
"...Crash of UFO...a recent case...in 1996...VARGINHA CASE...offered no resistance to it's capture...the next day...US Military Intelligence...US Doctors...follow the procedures...what was being done...because they (beings) died...no one could explain...we know for a fact, at least one of the creatures was taken toUnited States...and part of that object..."A. J. GEVAERD
"...BOLIVIA...a crash that took place...May of 1978...official released documents...Air Force Officer...PROJECT MOON DUST...recovery of Space Debris...they list Space Debris...and then they say Unidentified Flying Objects...in a very remote area..."ANTONIO HUNEEUS
"No official exchange with theUNITED STATES...regards of UFO."COL. ARIEL SANCHEZ
"...2 Levels...Public Level...another Level...there is an exchange of information... There are no official documents, but we have received many testimonies."DR. ANTHONY CHOY
"Not aware of any official exchange...any time there is a new event... there is an exchange."COL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIA
ROSCOE G. BARTLETTdecided to throw out a skeptic's possible theory:
"...giant hologram, rather than something physical...arguments for that or against that..."
"Difficult...I saw it from different angles...colors were really solid...a REAL OBJECT." COL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIA
There seemed to be great interest from the Panel as to how other governments, other press, and other publics, react to the UFO Phenomena. A similar thread of questioning was put forth by acting ChairDARLENE HOOLEY:
"Here, if you believe in Unidentified Objects...there's been such a damper...made fun of...this is REAL!..What is the attitude of your people and your media?
ANTONIO HUNEEUSon behalf ofCHILE:"It gets covered in mainstream papers...some ridicule...not as bad asUNITED STATES. Scientific Community...very conservative...that is changing. Airline Pilots were very cautious...they're(government) trying to condition them that it's okay...there's official forms..." COL. ARIEL SANCHEZofURUGUAY:"...People's attitude and government attitude is very respectful...have reliable and transparent information and they accept that..." DR. ANTHONY CHOYofPERU:"Believing or not...it's not a matter of belief...I'm SHOCKED how this is addressed in theUNITED STATES...we don't look at this way..." COL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIAofPERU:"Starting in the 90's pilots talk very freely of what you've seen and what happened...I am very pleased..." ALEJANDRO CHIONETTIofARGENTINA:"...Latin America pilots are so open...What happened, we only have activity South of the border?!..."
COL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIAdescribed in greater detail his own personal observations during his encounter with the UFO, afterLYNN WOOLSEYasked if he had felt threatened.
"It was like a peaceful attitude. Never did I feel a threat that is was going to attack me...I had to turn my back when I returned to base!"
There was unanimous consensus amongst the experts about the need for more Scientific Study:
"...in 1993 we saw two luminous spheres...that measured 30 to 40 centimeters...they left prints...a diminishment of zinc, phosphorous, and magnesium...if this was reminiscent of any other interaction...we don't have anything else to analyze..."COL. ARIEL SANCHEZ
"Serious, formal, Scientific investigations...defied conventional explanations...the only way...escape conventional Scientific Cannons...in 2010 there was a home...a cell phone...disappeared from one house, and appeared in another...it had witnesses!"DR. ANTHONY CHOY
"...rate where your military, government is...one to ten...One accepting...Ten is denial."
A. J. GAEVAERDofBRAZIL:"Three, two, three...upgrade to a 1." ANTONIO HUNEEUSrepresentingCHILE:"in terms of UFOs...zero; a one!...but the extraterrestrial..maybe a 6, or 7." COL. ARIEL SANCHEZofURUGUAY:"...Air Force, I would say zero...even welcome the idea of Extraterrestrial...spiritual groups...accept what we are proposing...there is acceptance..." DR. ANTHONY CHOYofPERU:"I profoundly LOVE my country...profoundly ADMIRE the American people...very complex!...This has been going on for 13yrs and...there has been minimal response...a ten." ALEJANDRO CHIONETTIof ARGENTINA:"...the government is investigating the UFOs with political correctness..."
As you can see there was a lot of great information covered in the morning session. I leave you with an amusing commentMERRILL COOKmade during this question and answer period.
(These
blog entries are built in order to share with you some of what I
managed to make note of, while watching the live feed. I've transcribed
from notes as accurately as possible, and apologize in advance if I've
made any errors. I hope you will enjoy and accept this in the manner
that which I give it to you; in a spirit of sharing and kindness.)Claudette Huber
Witness Testimony Oath:
"I DO HEREBY AFFIRM, I WILL TELL THE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH TO THIS COMMITTEE TODAY."
Today we had the pleasure of DARLENE HOOLEY CHAIRing over THE CITIZEN HEARING. There were a few technical issues with the live feed and the translation feature, but it was soon resolved and the rest of day went very well. In my written notes I had written the word "WOW!" at the end of the morning session, and was eager to share some of what I'd heard. So with that in mind, I want to jump right into A.J. GEVAERD's statement, who traveled all the way from Brazil!:
"...Thank you...really anxious to see the result of this...South America has by far the most agencies to investigate the UFO Phenomena..Just two weeks ago, we had a meeting...researchers...army personnel...gov't officials...to deal with this...April 18, 2013...It was given to us..promised...we will have a clear...more papers and documents will be disclosed...released...in 1954, in RIO DE JANEIRO ...declared...UFO is very serious...and needs to be investigated...'OPERATION SAUCER', 1977 September to December 1977...official purpose...to try and document...6hrs of video, actually film...sometimes at close range...try and establish contact...I'm glad to bring...440 pages, which is...20%...official documents from Brazil...related to the incident in the Amazon."
"...UFO Agencies...have been officially under the Air Force...it's committee, C.E.F.A.A. (COMMITTEE for the STUDY of AERIAL ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA), ...it's like the F.A.A. (FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION) had a appointed UFO Department...have scientists, astronomers...physicist...geographer and two psychologists...meteorologists...audio visual...rep of each branch of military...and local police...operate in open and transparent manner...open and freely...PELICAN CASE...2010...Three airplanes witness the same phenomena...camouflaged object...looked like a cloud. But! with erratic motion...the United States likes to think it's always ahead, but that is not the case with this phenomenology..."
I'm sad to say, I wasn't able to catch the entire testimonies of COL. ARIEL SANCHEZ , DR. ANTHONY CHOY , and COL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIA due to the technical difficulties experienced in the morning. So in my idleness, I took a closer look at the audience and noticed a blond woman wearing dark sunglasses, seated next DR. ROGER LEIR. Given the topic at hand, it wasn't a stretch for me to wonder, was she attempting to disguise herself? Anyway, that was enough conspiratorial play time for me, as the translator function started to work. And boy, was I happy it did!
"...the 70's were particularly busy times...UFOs on the Landing Strip...C.E.F.A (COMMISSION for the STUDY of AEROSPACE PHENOMENA) ...they have investigation brigades...2011 where a glowing ball fell from the sky...this case is left unsolved...great destruction...one person was killed in this case...it's worth the sacrifice and energy...so that Scientists in the future can shed the light in...I have spent the past 36 years investigating this phenomena...could in fact be extraterrestrial...they let people read between the line. Thank you very much."
B R E A K
Interestingly, A. J. GEVAERDasked permission for a former Congress Member from BRAZIL, seated to his left, the opportunity to address the Panel before he presented his own testimony. This man's closing remark:
"...Congratulations! We are working towards the interest of the people of the Earth versus the interest of a particular person."
I did not catch his name, but it was expressed that he, too, "...wants to do something like this (CITIZEN HEARING) inside the house...".
ROGER LEIRwas present during this part of the morning session.
(These
blog entries are built in order to share with you some of what I
managed to make note of, while watching the live feed. I've transcribed
from notes as accurately as possible, and apologize in advance if I've
made any errors. I hope you will enjoy and accept this in the manner
that which I give it to you; in a spirit of sharing and kindness.)Claudette Huber
Witness Testimony Oath:
"I DO HEREBY AFFIRM, I WILL TELL THE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH TO THIS COMMITTEE TODAY."
I got the distinct impression thatLT. COL. RICHARD FRENCHwill not be giving out too many more public statements as he looked quite frail. It is paramount that his testimony be archived for future reference. You will discover he is no stranger to the Roswell account:
"...I learned of an accident...in the direction of WHITE SANDS...a fighter air craft...no idea what it was, the aircraft took off at a high speed and shot off a rocket...afterwards, I was asked to review what was picked up at the craft side...markings appeared to be Arabic, some unknown...casualties transported to WRIGHT PATTERSON...I have quite an experience of seeing UFOs...originally O.S.I., very common at GULF BREEZE...see them come in and land...swamp gas...of course it was a lie, we were encouraged to lie..."
MERRIL COOKwas intrigued byLT. COL. RICHARD FRENCH's testimony and asked several questions:
"...this is...highly significant...exactly what you are saying...I commend you for all your service...When did you learn about the accident?..."
LT. COL. RICHARD FRENCHreplies,"In a matter of hours." MERRIL COOK: "...That's significant...unknown humanoids, did you see them?" LT. COL. RICHARD FRENCH:"No, I was told." MERRIL COOK:"How did you hear of the humanoid?" LT. COL. RICHARD FRENCH:"People that were there...Enlisted People...various people that were standing on the ramp. A nurse that was in uniform at the time...she would have known...very closed...later on, I had a very close friend who was a full Colonel...'yes, that's where the parts went'..."
"...balloons train...they don't match...the fact that they staged the event...they went to a lot of trouble to cover it up...a failure of the press to ask even the basic questions...they got away with it...the press is still not getting it...it really bugs me!"
"....Historical Fact...they captured a flying saucer...a press release...2 would be...years there after no matter what...eye witness were still discussing this...3rd would be the deathbed declarations...4th would certainly be flight records, cryptology records...all the records of summer 1947 have been destroyed..."
"...This is very important...I've eluded to this earlier...the best effort we have to bring visibility...use your good offices...we could go to UNITED NATIONS...we could do it through BRAZILIAN or CANADIAN resolution...we would have the most awe inspiring event!..."
A D J O U R N E D
STANTON FRIEDMANvoice was beginning to show some wear as he struggled through his friendly introduction ofDONALD R. SCHMITT; the 7 o'clock first slotted evening presentation. LINDA MOULTON HOWEpresented in the next time slot, and was gracious enough to offer to stick around for the last five minutes of her time and answer any questions fromthe floor.
PETER DAVENPORT, showed his true passion for his work by presenting a plethora of sighting cases, even going over his allotted time to ensure he'd covered all the cases he felt were important to share.
It's been a long day for me, I hope you are enjoying the coverage I
am offering. Tomorrow's talks will be focusing on the global UFO
phenomena, which will prove to be very interesting I'm sure.
